Fixed spool on a multiplier rod

[philthefish]

Hi everyone probably been asked before but have a six n bait multi version would like to give it a go with a FS reel any boby else tried this ?
Thanks n tight lines everyone

 

[Angrybear]

Not with that rod but It should work to some degree.
The issue is that the line pulls off a FS in big loose coils so a FS rod needs a larger first ring, both for less friction and less risk the line will wrap which will cause a snap off at the very least.
FS rods also tend to have fewer rings as the line is at the bottom, with a multi on top more rings are needed to keep the line off the blank.

 

[Topwater]

FS Reel down certainly works a treat with braid as my mate uses his 6nB like this for huge shore skate. One thing to consider is using a glove/wrist protector on the upper hand. From a line management perspective it helps to have the butt guide well away from the spool, working a lot like the choker system on Fuji KC builds - thoughts on best guide layouts have changed over the years, companies like Zenaq are putting on a lot more running/ intermediate guides than ever thought necessary.

 

[Cwab]

Not used on a six and bait but do use with braid and reel down on century ss with standard multi set up and even on a century raptor for lobbing into rough ground though a tad harsh but manageable, century ss sweet as a nut with no “ ring wraps” same with raptor. Do have a afaw gbfs pro mk1 obviously rung for fixed spool which is also great with reel down and braid and smooth as silk to cast with a nice through action with no compromises and if needed distance would maybe have the edge.
Not much help but just what have found and reams written on subject of most suitable rods to use with fixed spool and braid,
Don’t use mono on fixed spool myself so no idea of how it performs casting wise on a multi rung rod, best bet give it a go.

 

[Busanga]

Going through same thought process. Have a shimano Tiralejo conventional 12 foot rod.. the old model with sliding reel seat so can slide it further away from the first guide.. however I may just change that first guide out for a larger or RV guide.
I prefer using FS reels for my surf casting..
It has a very nice Daiwa Saltiga 50 HK on the Tiralejo. which I never use ... can't be dealing with birds nests and burned thumbs

 

[chesilpete]

It will work perfectly, you are sacrificing a little distance thats about all the downside.
Try and get the leader knot on bottom of the spool if you get your knot banging the butt ring on the cast.

 

[Busanga]

It will work perfectly, you are sacrificing a little distance thats about all the downside.
Try and get the leader knot on bottom of the spool if you get your knot banging the butt ring on the cast.

Not following.. how do you mean get knot on bottom of spool?

 

[chesilpete]

Using a multi rung rod means butt ring is smaller and closer.
If you put the shock knot at the bottom of the spool it hits the butt ring less often

 

[Trampster]

Not got any Rods rung for Multiplier use, nor have any of my Rods got movable reel seats. I think casting reel down would be mighty strange for me after 50 odd years of having the reel fixed 'up'.

Having said that, nearly every forum post & article I have read has said you can get away with a FS reel on a multiplier rod, but not good t'other way around. Just my 5 penneth!

 

[Wolf]

A couple of my rods are fixed spool rods & I use a multiplier on them & they work ok .

 

[Busanga]

Using a multi rung rod means butt ring is smaller and closer.
If you put the shock knot at the bottom of the spool it hits the butt ring less often

Sorry am being thick today... I really don't understand how that could be.. the knot is going through the rungs no matter where it is on the fixed spool ? What am I missing / not understanding?

 

[Wolf]

Using a multi rung rod means butt ring is smaller and closer.
If you put the shock knot at the bottom of the spool it hits the butt ring less often

How can the shock leader knot be at the bottom of the spool ????,

 

[chesilpete]

The bottom opposed to top of the spool as you look at it...
Not buried under 300m of line!

 

[Angrybear]

Using a multi rung rod means butt ring is smaller and closer.
If you put the shock knot at the bottom of the spool it hits the butt ring less often

I would have expected the opposite
Surely if the ring is smaller you want the knot to be closer to the blank at the top of the spool,
if it's at the bottom its going to drag across the bottom of the ring due to the angle ??

 

[Topwater]

The bottom opposed to top of the spool as you look at it...
Not buried under 300m of line!

That would be one extremely long shock leader....jayzus Pete, how far can you cast?!?!

I know what you're trying to say - position the knot at the rear of the spool so the leader winds on infront of it and does not cross over it for very obvious reasons

 

[Busanga]

That would be one extremely long shock leader....jayzus Pete, how far can you cast?!?!

I know what you're trying to say - position the knot at the rear of the spool so the leader winds on infront of it and does not cross over it for very obvious reasons

That I understand...we always make sure knot is not 'in front' of line coming of the spool.. but chesilpete is talking about the knot hitting the quote: butt ring less often end quote.. that is what I cant get my head around... the knot surely goes through the butt ring same no matter where it is on spool ??

 

[chesilpete]

That I understand...we always make sure knot is not 'in front' of line coming of the spool.. but chesilpete is talking about the knot hitting the quote: butt ring less often end quote.. that is what I cant get my head around... the knot surely goes through the butt ring same no matter where it is on spool ??

Topwaters explanation above is perfect.... but for clarity.
If the leader knot travels further outside its spiral because it's at the top of the spool you get more impacts on the butt ring.
Putting the leader knot at the bottom of the spool helps the leader knot pass the butt ring without hitting it.
Using a multi rod means a lower diameter butt ring which maybe 50mm closer to the reel this is one of the only problems using a multi rod with a fs reel.
Got it?

 

[Busanga]

Topwaters explanation above is perfect.... but for clarity.
If the leader knot travels further outside its spiral because it's at the top of the spool you get more impacts on the butt ring.
Putting the leader knot at the bottom of the spool helps the leader knot pass the butt ring without hitting it.
Using a multi rod means a lower diameter butt ring which maybe 50mm closer to the reel this is one of the only problems using a multi rod with a fs reel.
Got it?

Ah got ya! Will give it a try on my conventional rod with FS reel . like I mentioned.. on mine the reel butt can slide so I can use it reel at bottom of butt SA style (which I prefer anyway for casting) so that will help as well as the reel will be far away from the stripper ring.

 

[flappy]

It’s only going to hit it once..

 

[Angrybear]

Topwaters explanation above is perfect.... but for clarity.
If the leader knot travels further outside its spiral because it's at the top of the spool you get more impacts on the butt ring.
Putting the leader knot at the bottom of the spool helps the leader knot pass the butt ring without hitting it.
Using a multi rod means a lower diameter butt ring which maybe 50mm closer to the reel this is one of the only problems using a multi rod with a fs reel.
Got it?

Now you've confused me even more, because Topwater was talking about the front or the back of the spool, not top or bottom


Look at the pictures, it's clear to see that the line coming off the top of the spool has much less angle through the ring,
where as the line from the bottom of the spool is being dragged across the ring at much more angle so a knot from the top will have a much cleaner passage through the ring, compared to one from the bottom, and that's not even a big beach reel but it's the largest FS I have