Asso tapered line?

[crablante]

Have you guys tried this?

I typically use a tapered leader tied (Albright) to 20lb braid BUT I find the knot catches on the guides, not sure why, maybe the way I cast? And at some point the leader will crackoff

Anyway a few months ago I tried this Asso line (80-18lb) and OH MY DAYS I loved it - carefree casting all day long. I like braid but for peace of mind I may stick to the Asso line from now on.

 

[Topwater]

The tapered lines are great until you have to pull for a break and have to tie on a leader.....
The general consensus seems to be use braid leaders with braid mainline on FS when fishing reel high. If you fish reel low then these issues seem to dissappear so therefore I think it's a guide placement issue on many rods (like most conti's) where the butt guide is a bit close to the reel to accommodate the slightly strange loop that a braid to mono shock leader connection causes.

 

[chesilpete]

Try positioning the leader knot at the Base of the spool on braid to nylon.
I use max 5oz and 15-50 tapered leaders.
It seems to have solved the problem......
To put the knot at the bottom is a knack.... loosen the drag off as you see the leader coming and you soon work out exactly how many turns of the handle will put the knot at the bottom.

 

[crablante]

The tapered lines are great until you have to pull for a break and have to tie on a leader.....
The general consensus seems to be use braid leaders with braid mainline on FS when fishing reel high. If you fish reel low then these issues seem to dissappear so therefore I think it's a guide placement issue on many rods (like most conti's) where the butt guide is a bit close to the reel to accommodate the slightly strange loop that a braid to mono shock leader connection causes.

It's already happened - got snagged on someone's old leader! So replaced the entire line with a new one. What does FS stand for? I thought about using a braid leader - is this what you use? And I guess my reels do sit relatively high on the rod (see picture). I didn't realise the first guide was the issue - I always thought it was the final few guides on the tip the knot was catching on.

 

[crablante]

Try positioning the leader knot at the Base of the spool on braid to nylon.
I use max 5oz and 15-50 tapered leaders.
It seems to have solved the problem......
To put the knot at the bottom is a knack.... loosen the drag off as you see the leader coming and you soon work out exactly how many turns of the handle will put the knot at the bottom.

OK thanks I can give that go. In case it matters the rods I've been using lately are very light (150g max cast weight) so I've stuck to 3.5oz

 

[wingnut55]

FS is short for "fixed spool", the reels you are using mate.

Ian.

 

[crablante]

FS is short for "fixed spool", the reels you are using mate.

Ian.

DOH! Brain failure pffff

 

[chesilpete]

OK thanks I can give that go. In case it matters the rods I've been using lately are very light (150g max cast weight) so I've stuck to 3.5oz

That can make the problem worse.... there is less weight on the line on retrieve so it does not wrap as tightly.
Just to make matters worse the tip speed of a light lead is greater than a heavier lead.
My best advice is bin 60m of braid and use the reel with a couple of mm underspooled and put the knot at the bottom.

 

[Dutchman]

Just a question and point.
Fly fishing lines use a braided loop connector.

Is there any type of this used in sea fishing?

 

[crablante]

That can make the problem worse.... there is less weight on the line on retrieve so it does not wrap as tightly.
Just to make matters worse the tip speed of a light lead is greater than a heavier lead.
My best advice is bin 60m of braid and use the reel with a couple of mm underspooled and put the knot at the bottom.

OK in the future I'll make sure the braid is wrapped tight on the spool when retrieving (they're not overspooled) and the knot is at the bottom of the spool. The missus took a video of me casting and the tip moves quite fast back and forth, only for a bit, and I wondered if that was a reason for the knot catching. I wondered about making the leader as short as possible OR longer so by the time the knot passes through the guides they're all relatively "still".

The main downside to this Asso tapered line (aside from snags scenarios) is the drag, you can really feel the tide. I'll keep using though, especially in snag-free venues.

 

[chesilpete]

OK in the future I'll make sure the braid is wrapped tight on the spool when retrieving (they're not overspooled) and the knot is at the bottom of the spool. The missus took a video of me casting and the tip moves quite fast back and forth, only for a bit, and I wondered if that was a reason for the knot catching. I wondered about making the leader as short as possible OR longer so by the time the knot passes through the guides they're all relatively "still".

The main downside to this Asso tapered line (aside from snags scenarios) is the drag, you can really feel the tide. I'll keep using though, especially in snag-free venues.

That tip recovery can be a problem it means that the line is snatched and then there's a slow down, it's more of a problem on multipliers with snatchy casters.
Some tapered leaders are longer than others. If you can find longer ones the tip recovery event should have happened by the time the knot leaves the spool.
I do recall some guys on the east coast putting a tapered leaded on first then about 50ft of mono then onto braid back in the day.
This meant they had zero problems.
I have heavy powerful contis and use them with 6oz every few sessions I do get a bang as the leader knot goes through but seldom does it cause a crack off.

 

[crablante]

That tip recovery can be a problem it means that the line is snatched and then there's a slow down, it's more of a problem on multipliers with snatchy casters.
Some tapered leaders are longer than others. If you can find longer ones the tip recovery event should have happened by the time the knot leaves the spool.
I do recall some guys on the east coast putting a tapered leaded on first then about 50ft of mono then onto braid back in the day.
This meant they had zero problems.
I have heavy powerful contis and use them with 6oz every few sessions I do get a bang as the leader knot goes through but seldom does it cause a crack off.

Is there anything I can do with the way I cast to minimise the impact of tip recovery? I did notice I had less issues on my stiffer contis - at the time I thought it was down to having larger diameter guides.

The Daiwa tapered leader I've been using is 13m, I'll switch to Tronixpro which is 15m, hopefully the extra length will help (no pun intended)

 

[crablante]

Just a question and point.
Fly fishing lines use a braided loop connector.

Is there any type of this used in sea fishing?

I've never seen this in sea fishing

 

[chesilpete]

Is there anything I can do with the way I cast to minimise the impact of tip recovery? I did notice I had less issues on my stiffer contis - at the time I thought it was down to having larger diameter guides.

The Daiwa tapered leader I've been using is 13m, I'll switch to Tronixpro which is 15m, hopefully the extra length will help (no pun intended)

Not much.... I think launching the lead a little higher does reduce it..... punching a lead out definitely aggravates it.

 

[Angrybear]

Have you guys tried this?

I typically use a tapered leader tied (Albright) to 20lb braid BUT I find the knot catches on the guides, not sure why, maybe the way I cast? And at some point the leader will crackoff

Anyway a few months ago I tried this Asso line (80-18lb) and OH MY DAYS I loved it - carefree casting all day long. I like braid but for peace of mind I may stick to the Asso line from now on.

I wouldn't use a tapered leader with braid, just tie on a length of 60lb leader with standard shock leader knot, (or uni knot) with the first 50-60cm of braid doubled using a simple double overhand knot.
That's all I've ever done braid to leader in the 30 odd years since first using braid.

 

[chesilpete]

I wouldn't use a tapered leader with braid, just tie on a length of 60lb leader with standard shock leader knot, (or uni knot) with the first 50-60cm of braid doubled using a simple double overhand knot.
That's all I've ever done braid to leader in the 30 odd years since first using braid.

Once again a wonderful tip completely reflects your mind boggling angling prowess.....


Em? is that you???

 

[Angrybear]

KISS has always seemed like good advice, so I propose to follow it.
Can't be much of a mind if my angling prowess boggles it, although I had my moments 1/4 century ago

 

[Craig]

I use braid to a 60lb mono leader with no issues, no mental casting distances (100-120 yds) using a 6 and bait FS rod and various fixed spools.
It took me a good few crack off over a few days to get my leader length just right, and for me it's the shorter ones that won.
The leader is now about 11 uds at most I think, maybe shorter.
It's the drop, rod length and about 6-8 times round the spool.
I do use an fg knot to join the braid to leader and have not had any crack off or problems since getting the leader length right.

As I say, this works for my setup and casting style so may not work for you.
The fg knot is surprisingly easy to tie, it just takes abit of practice at home.
In all fairness I've yet to snap an fg knot on a beach, but have tied them on boats a few times, only takes a couple of minutes once you know how to do it.
Only downside is with 65lb braid and 60lb leader, pulling for a break is bloody hard work! I've had the mono leader snap and the fg knot still in tact.

 

[chesilpete]

All I am going to say is this.....
When a bloke says I am doing "this" and it's does not work for me....... advice saying "I do exactly what does not work for him" is a bit pointless.

 

[crablante]

I wouldn't use a tapered leader with braid, just tie on a length of 60lb leader with standard shock leader knot, (or uni knot) with the first 50-60cm of braid doubled using a simple double overhand knot.
That's all I've ever done braid to leader in the 30 odd years since first using braid.

I've tried something similar (80/60lb shock leader to 20lb braid using an FG knot) - twice - both times it cracked off. Thankfully I lost nothing because I had (practice) cast along the length of the beach.

My problem (as @chesilpete has already pointed) seems to be the very light rods I'm using and their relatively small guides. I'll stick to using this Asso line for now, along with a tapered leader when using braid.

BTW I am a huge fan of KISS! I would say what I'm doing is KISS with minimum drama