Asso tapered line?

[crablante]

Try a four turn grinner on the nylon to a six turn grinner on the braid and tighten it up carefully with loads of spit.
Pull on it as hard as you can, if it snaps go again until you get a good one.
The knot is tiny.

No worries - I'll give this a go - looking forward to experimenting!

P.S. my Albright knot is usually smaller BUT the tapered leader is at ~the 25-30lb section so pfffff

 

[crablante]

Those knots look good to me, only thing I would change with the fg is to put a few overhand knots up the braid tight behind the end of the mono to help build a ramp so it's smoother through the guides.

Ahhh that was intentional on my part - I didn't see the need to create a smooth transition because I could simply "slacken" off the pressure when I see the leader approaching the tip guide.

Regarding the crack offs with braid to mono, have you tried varying the length of the mono leader?
I used to use a long leader fishing off the rocks as I wanted something fairly thick to pull fish up and as a bit of cushioning.
Turns out I was totally wrong, this resulted in crack offs, the shorter it got, the more casts o got before any problems.
As I said before, I use a fairly short mono leader now and haven't had a crack off for longer than I care to remember.

I'm not sure a shorter leader would help in my case - I'd been using very light rods and as @chesilpete already mentioned, ideally you want the tip to fully recover before the knot passes through?

 

[Craig]

No worries, just passing on my own experience with braid mainline and mono leader to try and help.
I know it's a tricky one to get right, it took me a few sessions and a fair few crack offs to get my setup right.
If you really want the mono leader with braid mainline, it perseverance with alot of trial and error, or atleast it was for me.

There's many theories on why braid/mono don't work well casting, I can see merits in many of the reasons but as I say, I just experimented til I found the right setup for me.

Regarding the tip stopping before the knot leaves the rod, I can see that being a very valid point, but I tried and could never get a leader long enough to make that happen (with an afaw 6&bait), so I went the short leader route. My reason being I wanted the knot out of the tip before the tip started to wobble.

Alot of the problems can depend on the rod and reel as much as the leader length and knots.
There's so many factors that contribute, sometimes it's as simple as casting style.


Good luck with finding the right setup for what you want, I know it's tricky but when you find what works for you, it will make the fishing so much more enjoyable.

 

[crablante]

Regarding the tip stopping before the knot leaves the rod, I can see that being a very valid point, but I tried and could never get a leader long enough to make that happen (with an afaw 6&bait), so I went the short leader route. My reason being I wanted the knot out of the tip before the tip started to wobble.

I see your point - replaying the video my missus took of me casting it's difficult to know if the knot has already passed through before the tip flicks back. Like you say I can try what you've suggested and see what happens, with time I'll converge on something that works

 

[Angrybear]

@crablante
Top water is right Mr bare is full of amazing advice!.

So now I will put my tin hat on!!!.

Your knots are fabulous but fkin big.
Sometimes it's not about what's right and technically perfect it's about what works and getting the job done simply.
You need to get that knot size down to avoid the problem.
Try a four turn grinner on the nylon to a six turn grinner on the braid and tighten it up carefully with loads of spit.
Pull on it as hard as you can, if it snaps go again until you get a good one.
The knot is tiny.
Sure it's not 100% efficient but that leader knot is going to be on the spool when you have a fish at your feet.
You rod no matter how powerful will not be able to put more than 8lb onto that knot so manage the situation accordingly.
It's not an ideal solution and I am 100% suggesting you compromise the strength of the knot but I do use exactly this knot on Chesil to help avoid crack offs.
What I think happens is the braid bites into the nylon so hard that that's where the strength is....
Try it and see what you think I doubt you will break it and if you can't then it's got to be good to go IMO.
Right I have made my confession and am ready for the backlash.

Isn't the Grinner exactly the same as a Uni knot ? certainly are in the books / diagrams I have,
(which in turn are exactly the same as a spade-end knot except this is tied around the shank rather than back on itself, so points down the line not back up)
Both of which end up as an inside out tucked half blood knot,
Which itself is pretty much identical to a Mahseer knot, except the Mahseer passes through the hook eye twice.
Then we have the Surgeons which is just a double overhand loop, or give it 4 turns to become a Water knot
& the Blood Bight which is just a fig 8 loop

I have indeed used your 4-6 turn double Grinner (double Uni) especially on a bouncy boat.

Not sure what knot(s) you're referring to as "f'kin big"

 

[Angrybear]

You continue to avoid the crux of the matter, namely that you are wrong but refuse to admit so. Go stick your ego up your arris where it belongs Mr Angry Bull

You're the one with the ego chap,
I didn't start throwing abuse at people with a differing opinion, that was you

 

[Topwater]

You're the one with the ego chap,
I didn't start throwing abuse at people with a differing opinion, that was you

Yet more BS ! You're the one that stated the Albright was the "poor man's Bimini' which as I have pointed out (and your beginner guides will confirm) is utter bullocks. You're full of manure. Off you pop

 

[chesilpete]

Isn't the Grinner exactly the same as a Uni knot ? certainly are in the books / diagrams I have,
(which in turn are exactly the same as a spade-end knot except this is tied around the shank rather than back on itself, so points down the line not back up)
Both of which end up as an inside out tucked half blood knot,
Which itself is pretty much identical to a Mahseer knot, except the Mahseer passes through the hook eye twice.
Then we have the Surgeons which is just a double overhand loop, or give it 4 turns to become a Water knot
& the Blood Bight which is just a fig 8 loop

I have indeed used your 4-6 turn double Grinner (double Uni) especially on a bouncy boat.

Not sure what knot(s) you're referring to as "f'kin big"

The knots in the pic not your ego....... of course

 

[Angrybear]

The knots in the pic not your ego....... of course

Sorry, hadn't seen the pic when I replied, now makes complete sense.
Also now found a slightly different knot in another book also being called a Grinner ??
So in one it's shown as a Uni knot, in the other, you first twist the line around itself (like a blood knot) & then tie a Uni knot over top the twist,
never seen that version before.

 

[Angrybear]

Yet more BS ! You're the one that stated the Albright was the "poor man's Bimini' which as I have pointed out (and your beginner guides will confirm) is utter bullocks. You're full of manure. Off you pop

Yes I call the Albright a poor mans Bimini, because you start with a section of one line twisted & tied off to get an end loop,
but tied without the faff of twisting, compressing to your foot, releasing to back twist & then securing with half hitches, as with the Bimini, to make essentially the same twisted length & end loop simple as that.

 

[Topwater]

Wrong again! Your armchair expertise fails you once again! Check you've not got a printing error in your beginners guide because it's exposing you for the clown you really are

 

[Angrybear]

Wrong again! Your armchair expertise fails you once again! Check you've not got a printing error in your beginners guide because it's exposing you for the clown you really are

Really,
So instead of just being a rude, arrogant, keyboard warrior, why not show something to support your mouth?
My "beginners guides" which I chose to believe over some gobby jock nobody

 

[chesilpete]

Really,
So instead of just being a rude, arrogant, keyboard warrior, why not show something to support your mouth.

He has..... for years!
You on the other hand rock up giving your opinion like your the Oracle and give bad advice.
You have also said you fish and wont put a catch report up.
Frankly I find you tedious you could engage easily with all forum members by just being cool and interesting or even funny will do.
But just being an angrybear is not going to cut it.
Be nice. Contribute, demonstrate your prowess and stop sprouting shouty bullshit.
You will find it more fun, or go back to being all bolloxy on the other forum and give yourself a break.

 

[Topwater]

Really,
So instead of just being a rude, arrogant, keyboard warrior, why not show something to support your mouth.

Yes really! Bugger off and do your own research and you'll quickly find that while many knots are or can be tied with a double, a double is NOT part of the Albright knot itself. Enough of you now You are as irksome as you are misguided, arrogant and plainly wrong.

 

[Reevsey]

Ive used this knot in the past . Its fuckin useless but easy to tie on a wind swept beach when you've forgotten your glasses

 

[Angrybear]

Yes really! Bugger off and do your own research and you'll quickly find that while many knots are or can be tied with a double, a double is NOT part of the Albright knot itself. Enough of you now You are as irksome as you are misguided, arrogant and plainly wrong.

Clearly tied on a double using the twist as part of the knot, how am I wrong ?

 

[Angrybear]

Ive used this knot in the past . Its fuckin useless but easy to tie on a wind swept beach when you've forgotten your glasses View attachment 73664

been there done that now keep a pair in the tackle box.
Not entirely useless, I use it to keep my boots on

 

[Angrybear]

He has..... for years!
You on the other hand rock up giving your opinion like your the Oracle and give bad advice.
You have also said you fish and wont put a catch report up.

Well, most of what I've seen both to me & others seems to be rude & arrogant, so I give back what I get.
I thought the purpose of a forum was to offer advice ? if you don't agree there's no need to follow it.
I must have missed the note saying catch reports were compulsory
ok, 3 trips to Seaton lots of doggies, almost as many Pout, but they keep the tip nodding, roadworks on the last one were a pain, there you go.

 

[JLD]

Banter buggers/tackle tarts/keyboard warriors they're all here. Who needs catch reports ?

 

[crablante]

Catch report - caught a lot of eagle rays back in September, haven't gone fishing since