Lead Ban.

[Mr Fish]

It's not so much the leads , it's the mono and tethered fish.

"NARC’s first official dive took place in April 2005 off Stackpole Quay when the diving team pulled up no fewer than 630 fishing weights which equated to 72 kilos of lead.

“But it isn’t the lead that’s a problem,” said Dave. “It’s the monofilament lines, which take 600 years to biodegrade.”

As a result, a large number of NARC’s dives are concentrated around Pembrokeshire’s angling sites, including Martin’s Haven, Cresswell Quay and the Fishguard breakwater."

Agreed although if I’m fishing rough ground I use a rotten bottom which in my case is just a simple clip and 15lb weak link to the lead.

That’s not to say on occasion the whole lot doesn’t get left out there, which I really hate, but the majority of the time I just lose the lead

 

[Angrybear]

Not sure where you've got that from but neither parts are true

Sorry, you're wrong & he's correct.
The use of lead shot for wildfowling over wetlands has been prohibited for many years, I think it was banned the same time as leadshot was banned for freshwater anglers, in addition the game food council has banned the sale of game shot with lead.
BASC & other shooting organisations have been guiding away from lead to non toxic shot as a voluntary move for years, but for the past several years there has been an ongoing HSE review of lead ammunition that has recently made a number of recommendations which will be implemented over the next few years.
This has been big news in the shooting world for the past 5+ years because EU greens want a total lead ban.

 

[Beach]

They say that’s why the affluent were so eccentric.. lead pipes for the water supply caused insanity.

Only after a few beers

 

[Beach]

Average of 4 or 5oz per lead, nothing is likely to ingest those. The line 'problem' is the tiniest fraction of the plastics used in lost nets in commercial fishing..

Mono Gill nets are the worst imo

 

[Dutchman]

The op is Lead ban not anything else!

 

[cap'nhaddock]

Im not insulting you but now you are attempting to strongarm me because you obviously feel hurt that your research was wrong. That's not my fault. I'm not entering into debate with you so forget trying to belittle me with such arrogance. Good day to you

It must be true if you read it on the internet

Is that not an attempt to belittle me ?

If my research is wrong then tell us all why and where.

If it's arrogance to point out how to debate in a civilised way then, yes. I'm arrogant.

And correct.

 

[Beach]

The op is Lead ban not anything else!

So, killing healthy sea fish in any manor of method is acceptable?

 

[Dutchman]

So, killing healthy sea fish in any manor of method is acceptable?

No.

But was just saying as these threads "sometimes" go off on another angle rather than keep on the one subject.

 

[mojocvh]

Lead shot was supposed to be phased out for shotgun cartridges many years ago. It is still being used, even for water-fowling.

No it isn't, not legally.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• England and Wales:
  Lead shot is banned for shooting all duck, geese, coot, and moorhen species, wherever they occur, as well as on or over foreshore and specified Sites of Special Scientific Interest (SSSIs).
  
  
• Scotland and Northern Ireland:
  Lead shot is banned for all shooting on or over wetlands (including foreshore).
  
  
• Consequences:
  Using lead shot in areas where it's banned is illegal and can result in fines.

 

[Paulthecod]

I think the initial report relates to coarse fishing only and although lead shot has been banned for anything above size 8 shot up to 1oz for many years now, there are now moves to include all lead shot and strip lead or components of things such as swim feeders if the lead is below 1oz. I also think there are moves ongoing to urge anglers to use alternatives, especially given the popularity of ejection rigs. When one of our local estates drained one of its lakes a couple of years ago after the dam was badly damaged by flooding, metal detectorists recovered over 11,000 angling weights.

 

[Dutchman]

Just asking......And not disputing.....but....

What actual proven evidence is there that these lead weights are actually polluting or damaging anything?

 

[flappy]

Just asking......And not disputing.....but....

What actual proven evidence is there that these lead weights are actually polluting or damaging anything?

Agreed.
But they don’t like us .

 

[Where’s Wally]

Some of the purest water comes out of old mine workings. Filtered by the limestone and spar deposits, it also runs past galena veins, but it’s not water soluble as it forms an oxidised surface. If I recall correctly it was the small split shot that was banned and then lead shot in shooting over water due to the swans picking them up to use in their crops.
The actual lead doesn’t enter the water as such.

 

[cap'nhaddock]

No it isn't, not legally.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• England and Wales:
  Lead shot is banned for shooting all duck, geese, coot, and moorhen species, wherever they occur, as well as on or over foreshore and specified Sites of Special Scientific Interest (SSSIs).
  
  
• Scotland and Northern Ireland:
  Lead shot is banned for all shooting on or over wetlands (including foreshore).
  
  
• Consequences:
  Using lead shot in areas where it's banned is illegal and can result in fines.

If it is not being used then how did it find its way into the shot birds?

Are the researchers lying or are people still using lead shot?

It's easy enough to tell the difference between lead and steel/whatever is now legal.

 

[Mike hemming]

Lead shot was supposed to be phased out for shotgun cartridges many years ago. It is still being used, even for water-fowling.

Yeahhhh it’s a killer

 

[Cwab]

If it is not being used then how did it find its way into the shot birds?

Are the researchers lying or are people still using lead shot?

It's easy enough to tell the difference between lead and steel/whatever is now legal.

Matter of detail as game dealers wishing to sell for human consumption especially to larger suppliers agree to buy from shoots who have banned lead shot themselves which many have ahead of any outright ban.
If I wish to shoot fur or feather for own consumption can use lead shot to do it if I wish,( bar waterfowl or over wetlands) these are the facts at the moment.
All well known commercial game shoots have banned lead and is written into agreement to clients prior to letting a days shooting that lead shot not to be used, cannot comment on findings of researchers though have read of lead been found but no details of who, when or why. Clearly some game been shot with lead is finding it’s way through it would appear.
Lead shot been banned for wildfowl since 1999.! Edit, game dealers can still if they choose sell game shot with lead at the moment if they wish and legal to do so and can find a buyer.