Buying terminal tackle online

[Mr Fish]

Various kamasan patterns in boxes of 100

Where did you get those from please?

 

[crablante]

Regardless, I look at keeping costs down across the board so shorter distance trips, bulk bought tackle, bait I’ve caught/foraged myself, it all helps.

Discussion aside - same here - up until recently I did all of my fishing in Spain where I would collect bait and walk to the beach.

 

[Mike]

I suppose the other aspect may be the occasional angler market is bigger than the more frequent angler market? I don’t know, but wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case.

I say this to clients all the time. They mostly presume that everybody goes fishing all the time. Most anglers, don't have the time to go fishing that often, but they still buy bits n bobs just to still feel part of the hobby. They consume content in the same way, they're basically reliving their fishing through what people are putting out there and satisfying their cravings by buying tackle. They may only get a chance to go once a month. A lot will only fish in the summer as well.

The reason angling exploded during Covid is that people had time. Sadly, the industry massively overinvested in stock presuming the wave would carry on, of course, it didn't. Once people went back to work, participation levels dropped to their previous levels and a lot of tackle companies and shops either did go to the wall or we're very, very close to doing so, especially as many had taken on bounce back loans to cover it all and where they had little debt before, were now saddled with it.

 

[flappy]

Where did you get those from please?

Mr Patel.

 

[Trampster]

I say this to clients all the time. They mostly presume that everybody goes fishing all the time. Most anglers, don't have the time to go fishing that often, but they still buy bits n bobs just to still feel part of the hobby. They consume content in the same way, they're basically reliving their fishing through what people are putting out there and satisfying their cravings by buying tackle. They may only get a chance to go once a month. A lot will only fish in the summer as well.

The reason angling exploded during Covid is that people had time. Sadly, the industry massively overinvested in stock presuming the wave would carry on, of course, it didn't. Once people went back to work, participation levels dropped to their previous levels and a lot of tackle companies and shops either did go to the wall or we're very, very close to doing so, especially as many had taken on bounce back loans to cover it all and where they had little debt before, were now saddled with it.

I remember at the start of the Covid lockdowns Mike, a lot of tackle items were unavailable. Thousands of containers stacked up in the Ports awaiting customs clearance, haulage delays, and tackle shops just not getting the stock customers were asking for. I remember searching for a Penn reel, and nobody had any stock.
I guess as Covid eased, stocks were replenished, and a lot of tackle stores were now overloaded with stock that had previously been sat in the Ports.

Regarding Tony's OP about bulk hooks, there are packs of 100 & 500 hooks on eBay, but they are all from China, quality unknown.

 

[groundswell]

Where did you get those from please?

You could always get a box of 100 b940 hooks but this past couple of years you have been other kamasan hooks in boxes of 100 including b940 m, b940 s and their uptide hooks as well, veals are now advertising them

 

[Robbie_B]

I love to get out and fish as much as I can but if and when I don't, I do love to sit and make rigs and maybe ill end up not using the all anytime soon but I do enjoy that side too

 

[Wolf]

I buy most of my terminal tackle from my local tackle shop,I usually buy hooks , swivels etc in packs of 5 or 10,but buy four or five packs at a time,I could probably buy them cheaper on line, but I prefer to use my local tackle shop .

 

[Mr Fish]

I buy most of my terminal tackle from my local tackle shop,I usually buy hooks , swivels etc in packs of 5 or 10,but buy four or five packs at a time,I could probably buy them cheaper on line, but I prefer to use my local tackle shop .

I would if the local shops were better but I fish too much to buy everything in smaller packs, not to mention the price!

I realise they have overheads etc so can’t compete with online and set the prices to make a living, but I can’t justify paying those prices too often!

 

[Robbie_B]

I agree with buying local too but we all have overheads and like Mr Fish said, I couldn't justify paying those prices too often either, as much as I want to shop local, financially it sometimes makes more sense to shop online

 

[crablante]

I agree too - ATM I'm fine with buying my bits and bobs from the local BUT I do fish clean sandy beaches with circles, so my hooks last a long time and I don't loose gear (unless the c*nt face motorboat comes past and cuts my line)

 

[Mr Fish]

Yep,

I agree too - ATM I'm fine with buying my bits and bobs from the local BUT I do fish clean sandy beaches with circles, so my hooks last a long time and I don't loose gear (unless the c*nt face motorboat comes past and cuts my line)

Yep, tbh completely different to what I do a lot of, which is rock marks often after dark and you’re deliberately putting your gear into kelp beds for huss etc, so the tackle turnover is pretty high.
Also fish clean beaches too, but not in January and February!

 

[Trampster]

I agree with buying local too but we all have overheads and like Mr Fish said, I couldn't justify paying those prices too often either, as much as I want to shop local, financially it sometimes makes more sense to shop online

Agree. Quite a few of the local tackle shops have got their own websites and/or eBay stores. If they're on eBay, they're having to compete with other sellers, and I sometimes find the same items are a bit cheaper than what I would pay if I walked in the shop.

 

[Angrybear]

At least today we can just ask Google without having to phone multiple dealers

 

[blakdog is back]

IMO retailers prefer 10 packs because they can knock them out at a bigger mark up, though no doubt display space is an issue.

Good to hear a recommendation for Saul though, will look at his page.

Tbh though, shop retail is a smaller part of it and doesn’t really explain why, in my experience, the online retailers no longer seem to offer larger/more cost effective bulk options.
I used to be able to get 50 or 100 hooks, now I’m lucky if I can find them in 25s.

I suppose the other aspect may be the occasional angler market is bigger than the more frequent angler market? I don’t know, but wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case.

The profit margin will usually be the same whatever the size of the packet. The extra cost comes from the time of somebody having to pack each individual 10 hooks in a costly packaging.

When I was a retailer, we used to do big bulk packs at decent prices, and we found them a hard sell.

My presumption is most anglers don't make that many rigs, and the recycle of older components is high.

A voice of sense at last.

I sell Eagle Claw circles in packs of 25 or 100 for example ... its the 25s that sell every time. Most normal anglers don't want a skip load of the same thing, they want/need a variety of sizes etc. The other problems for retailers is they are trying to cater for a wide range of customers ... so its impractical to carry all terminal gear in bulk ... you can end up with a huge amount of dosh invested in beads and clips in short time which is a scary thought. That's especially the case in a walk-in where these are the products targetted by shoplifters.

As for "discount" people make me crack up. Going on about hooks by the hundred and beads by the thousand seems to give people the impression that they are movers and shakers. This stuff is still low value stuff (as are the order values) and to be honest anybody that is making rigs to sell on really needs to get themselves a wholesaler account for their bits.

I sell a fair bit of terminal gear over the year and even get some bulk packs of things in special for a couple of long term customers but the honest truth is it has to pay its way and emails asking for discount on 500 hooks or "how much discount if I buy 2 pinion supports" are normally assigned to the bin. People always seem really pleased when they get offered a discount ... I tend to think that if they can sell something cheaper than normal and it still be worthwhile then they were probably overcharging in the first place.

 

[blakdog is back]

Agree. Quite a few of the local tackle shops have got their own websites and/or eBay stores. If they're on eBay, they're having to compete with other sellers, and I sometimes find the same items are a bit cheaper than what I would pay if I walked in the shop.

There is something very wrong if they are cheaper on Ebay than in their shop or their own website .... because they still have all the same overheads that they have from their shop and then they have to add the Ebay seller fees ... they average at about 13 to 15% for a UK sale now and as much as 19 or 20 % for a foreign sale.

 

[Trampster]

There is something very wrong if they are cheaper on Ebay than in their shop or their own website .... because they still have all the same overheads that they have from their shop and then they have to add the Ebay seller fees ... they average at about 13 to 15% for a UK sale now and as much as 19 or 20 % for a foreign sale.

I agree with your point, just speaking from experience. I've found quite often items are cheaper on eBay than elsewhere - it has happened a few times with consumable bits from Veals.

 

[Mr Fish]

The profit margin will usually be the same whatever the size of the packet. The extra cost comes from the time of somebody having to pack each individual 10 hooks in a costly packaging.


A voice of sense at last.

I sell Eagle Claw circles in packs of 25 or 100 for example ... its the 25s that sell every time. Most normal anglers don't want a skip load of the same thing, they want/need a variety of sizes etc. The other problems for retailers is they are trying to cater for a wide range of customers ... so its impractical to carry all terminal gear in bulk ... you can end up with a huge amount of dosh invested in beads and clips in short time which is a scary thought. That's especially the case in a walk-in where these are the products targetted by shoplifters.

As for "discount" people make me crack up. Going on about hooks by the hundred and beads by the thousand seems to give people the impression that they are movers and shakers. This stuff is still low value stuff (as are the order values) and to be honest anybody that is making rigs to sell on really needs to get themselves a wholesaler account for their bits.

I sell a fair bit of terminal gear over the year and even get some bulk packs of things in special for a couple of long term customers but the honest truth is it has to pay its way and emails asking for discount on 500 hooks or "how much discount if I buy 2 pinion supports" are normally assigned to the bin. People always seem really pleased when they get offered a discount ... I tend to think that if they can sell something cheaper than normal and it still be worthwhile then they were probably overcharging in the first place.

You would know better than me as you’re in the trade, but surely items bought in bulk tend to be cheaper overall and that can be passed on to the customer to an extent?

I get the packaging point, but I would imagine if Veals ordered 10,000 hooks from whatever factory/supplier they use, rather than 1,000, they would expect or be able to leverage a better rate?
Usually if you buy more of anything in volume the overall price reduces, right down to the point of retail?
I take the point if there’s not a big enough market to sell hooks etc 100 at a time then it might not make sense from a business point of view.

I can only go on my own experience but all I know is at one time I could buy the hooks etc I wanted in boxes of 50 or 100, which worked out cheaper than 10 packs of 10, enough that it was worth it ie £2-3 or whatever rather than pence.
Nowadays and for hooks especially, 25 seems to be the max for a lot of patterns.

I do btw want a lot of the hooks I use regularly, which is 6/0 or 3/0 Bigmouth Extras plus 3/0 Aberdeen and 1 or 2 Aberdeen.
The first two in particular seem hard to get in anything but 25s now.

 

[Mr Fish]

It’s not the end of the world by any means, but on a busyish fishing month I can easily get through a box of 25-30 hooks, due to the terrain I fish over in particular.

Given the choice I would rather put in a big order for 100 along with other bits and forget about stocking up for a few months, not to mention repeated postal costs.

 

[crablante]

...rock marks often after dark and you’re deliberately putting your gear into kelp beds...

Would using a float be an option?

I switched to using a float (a spot I fish at for white bream, rocky and kelp all over) and no longer loose gear.