2 hook cascade rig

[Busanga]

Do you tend to make the snoods the same length for a 2 hook cascade rig or do you vary the length of the snoods ?

 

[chesilpete]

Bottom snood is usually longer.
Honestly I do not use a two hook rig with both hooks above the lead. I prefer to have the two hooks further apart. Generally I use a loop rig.
Although I do use 3 hook clip downs (cascade type) where the top snood is short middle medium and the bottom long, these rigs are around 6ft in length.

 

[Busanga]

What is the thinking behind the longer bottom snood?

 

[Mushty]

Do you tend to make the snoods the same length for a 2 hook cascade rig or do you vary the length of the snoods ?

Keep em the same length as eliminates possible chance of the hook lengths tangling with each other, keeps it simple too.. but hey that’s just me

 

[chesilpete]

What is the thinking behind the longer bottom snood?

better movement if the leads rolling.... also less resistance on bites

 

[chesilpete]

Keep em the same length as eliminates possible chance of the hook lengths tangling with each other, keeps it simple too.. but hey that’s just me

I am usually fishing where there are crabs n straps so use 40lb amnesia that never seems to tangle

 

[Mr Fish]

I am usually fishing where there are crabs n straps so use 40lb amnesia that never seems to tangle

You mean there are places where there aren’t crabs and straps? I need this location!

 

[Busanga]

What are straps ?

 

[chesilpete]

What are straps ?

small conger eels

 

[Robbie_B]

If you were match fishing, what would be the max lb snood you would use? I've spare snoods made up with size 2 to 6 hooks and 6lb to 15lb line for the snoods, the main body are all 50lb.

 

[Mushty]

If you were match fishing, what would be the max lb snood you would use? I've spare snoods made up with size 2 to 6 hooks and 6lb to 15lb line for the snoods, the main body are all 50lb.

For me on the South coast, I use 30lb Oblivion purely for the bait presentation

 

[chesilpete]

If you were match fishing, what would be the max lb snood you would use? I've spare snoods made up with size 2 to 6 hooks and 6lb to 15lb line for the snoods, the main body are all 50lb.

Robbie, this is a hard to come up with a general answer. It just depends.
If your fishing you generally are targeting a species.
So fish to that species over sand for flats for example you can use 15lb but if there's any chance of smoothounds for example then your probably better of using 30lb because the flats will take it anyway.
On most beaches I fish there will be spider crabs and strap eels a heavy hook length means your not retying hooks every couple of casts.
Then there's the issue of tangles.... the lighter the hooklength the more tangles you get.
If you are species fishing then I get the small hook and light snood benefits but generally I don't use anything less than 20lb I just don't see and drop in catch rate or loss of bait presentation.

 

[Angrybear]

If you were match fishing, what would be the max lb snood you would use? I've spare snoods made up with size 2 to 6 hooks and 6lb to 15lb line for the snoods, the main body are all 50lb.

You use what the fish you're targeting dictate you use, which might change with the tide or casting range.

If using a cascade rig I use a longer top snood so that;
A. it will still fish on the bottom
B. the shorter bottom snood cannot tangle with the top while falling through the water having released on impact.

 

[Mr Fish]

Robbie, this is a hard to come up with a general answer. It just depends.
If your fishing you generally are targeting a species.
So fish to that species over sand for flats for example you can use 15lb but if there's any chance of smoothounds for example then your probably better of using 30lb because the flats will take it anyway.
On most beaches I fish there will be spider crabs and strap eels a heavy hook length means your not retying hooks every couple of casts.
Then there's the issue of tangles.... the lighter the hooklength the more tangles you get.
If you are species fishing then I get the small hook and light snood benefits but generally I don't use anything less than 20lb I just don't see and drop in catch rate or loss of bait presentation.

Agreed. Tbh aside from mullet I’ve never really found that sea fish care about line diameter.
6 or 10lb certainly isn’t needed!

 

[Busanga]

Agreed. Tbh aside from mullet I’ve never really found that sea fish care about line diameter.
6 or 10lb certainly isn’t needed!

All depends what/ where you are fishing.. many times bait fishing for Tuna for eg , get no hits on 80lb mono have to drop down 40lb and compromise between getting a bite and getting broke off.. other days slamming the 80lb no issues

 

[Mr Fish]

All depends what/ where you are fishing.. many times bait fishing for Tuna for eg , get no hits on 80lb mono have to drop down 40lb and compromise between getting a bite and getting broke off.. other days slamming the 80lb no issues

Certainly in the UK I’ve never really noticed it as an issue

 

[squidword]

Bream and gars can be really finicky feeders in clear water. Dropping line diameters and changing over to flouro carbon lines will definitely put more fish on the beach. Regarding cascade rigs, I use a 3 hook clip down with 6-8 inch identical hook links for a large part of my fishing, works really well and had numerous triple shots of fish on the same cast. Casts well because it's short, doesn't tangle either. Deeper water i prefer a loop rig, with 2 or 3 hooks, can be different sizes and strength snoods, allowing you to target multiple species.

 

[Mr Fish]

Bream and gars can be really finicky feeders in clear water. Dropping line diameters and changing over to flouro carbon lines will definitely put more fish on the beach. Regarding cascade rigs, I use a 3 hook clip down with 6-8 inch identical hook links for a large part of my fishing, works really well and had numerous triple shots of fish on the same cast. Casts well because it's short, doesn't tangle either. Deeper water i prefer a loop rig, with 2 or 3 hooks, can be different sizes and strength snoods, allowing you to target multiple species.

I can’t say I’ve found gars fussy and have never used flouro.
Admittedly I only really float fish for them and use 10-15lb line in any case .

I’ve caught a lot of bream on 30lb flappers tied from one bit of line with blood loops, more boat admittedly but plenty off the shore in the Channel Islands too.

That’s not to say they might not be finicky sometimes but I haven’t found line type or thickness a major barrier.

 

[squidword]

I can’t say I’ve found gars fussy and have never used flouro.
Admittedly I only really float fish for them and use 10-15lb line in any case .

I’ve caught a lot of bream on 30lb flappers tied from one bit of line with blood loops, more boat admittedly but plenty off the shore in the Channel Islands too.

That’s not to say they might not be finicky sometimes but I haven’t found line type or thickness a major barrier.

I've only experienced it on chesil. The gars can be a nightmare! You can see them, you know they are there, but you can't get any interest unless you drop right down to say 4lb line. The bream are the same, hot, sunny days, crystal clear water, light lines rule. Any chop or colour to the sea and line diameters don't matter as much. I've had plenty of bream on 60lb hook links when there's colour or chop. I know alot of match boys will carry very light lines especially for those conditions.

 

[Mr Fish]

I've only experienced it on chesil. The gars can be a nightmare! You can see them, you know they are there, but you can't get any interest unless you drop right down to say 4lb line. The bream are the same, hot, sunny days, crystal clear water, light lines rule. Any chop or colour to the sea and line diameters don't matter as much. I've had plenty of bream on 60lb hook links when there's colour or chop. I know alot of match boys will carry very light lines especially for those conditions.

It can be super clear there, tis true. I’ve caught plenty of gars on the north coast on 10/15lb traces and more than I can even count in the Channel Islands.
Likewise bream for the latter, but a lot of smaller ones.

I have float fished at Chesil on one or two still days and not caught, although there was no obvious fish activity to say if anything was there or not.